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Why it’s important to check for corrosion

A badly corroded radius arm

Corrosion is a common problem we're sure you’re all aware of. It can make vehicles extremely dangerous to drive and in some cases can cause a vehicle to fall apart while it’s being driven.

Last year, a woman was killed when the car she was travelling in swerved out of control and into a parked vehicle after its rear axle fell off.

The picture above shows how badly corroded one of the axle's radius arms was when the car crashed. The other arm was just as bad.

The corrosion on the radius arms may not have been detectable when the car had its last MOT. But if it was, and it had been detected, it might’ve saved her life.

This really highlights the importance of checking for corrosion - particularly in older vehicles.

Being thorough

Although this is an extreme example, it shows how deadly corrosion can be if it isn’t found.

The location of the corrosion on the radius arm mounting would’ve made it very difficult to find. The tester would’ve needed to make an extra effort to get underneath the car and inspect the affected parts to find it.

But, if they had, it could have potentially saved someone’s life.

We know the majority of you always take the extra time to check the safety-critical parts of a vehicle for corrosion, but it’s not always easy to find.

So, we’ve put together some tips to help you with this in the future.

Don’t just give it a quick look

The first step is finding the corrosion. Sometimes, the corrosion is so obvious you can see it straight away. But, sometimes it isn’t.

You should inspect the vehicle visually and use your fingers to inspect any parts you can’t see.

If you find any corrosion, you should put pressure on it using your finger and thumb to see if it crumbles, or if the area feels weakened.

If you need to, you can use a corrosion assessment tool to tap or scrape the affected area.

Does the corrosion affect vehicle safety?

If you find corrosion that seriously reduces the strength of a highly stressed component, you’ll need to fail the vehicle.

You should also fail the vehicle if you find any structural weakness or holes caused by corrosion in a prescribed area, such as:

  • steering
  • suspension
  • brakes
  • seat belts

If the corrosion isn’t in a prescribed area, you need to check whether any load bearing part is corroded enough to affect the braking or steering.

If it isn’t, you should pass the vehicle and advise the customer what they should to do to fix the corroded part.

Dealing with repairs

If there’s been a repair to a damaged or corroded area, you should assess if the repair is suitable.

You need to check if:

  • suitable materials have been used
  • the plating and welding is attached to a load bearing part
  • the repair appears to be as strong as the original structure

Sometimes it can be difficult to assess the repair, especially if it’s been painted or undersealed. If you’re in any doubt, you should pass and advise.

Making the difference

The work you do as MOT testers do is vital for keeping Britain’s roads safe. Our latest MOT Horror stories blog post is a great example of the types of things you’ve found and prevented potentially causing a dangerous accident.

So, next time you’re testing a vehicle, go the extra mile to make sure it’s not dangerously corroded. It could make all the difference.

Check out the MOT Inspection Manual for more information and guidance.

114 comments

  1. Comment by Scott posted on

    Quote: "This really highlights the importance of checking for corrosion - particularly in older vehicles."
    A tragic story for the family and lady involved in this accident from the above blog

    Clearly this isn't a 40year old car but perhaps exempting older vehicles from Mot Testing is not such a good idea.

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  2. Comment by john posted on

    ON THE SUBJECT OF MANUAL ADVISORIES, I hope you can add some for tyres;- I have seen the tyre sizes and fitting instructions GROUND OFF the sidewalls by second hand tyre dealers, Also sidewall repairs where I thought it was GENERAL PRACTICE not to repair, THIS IS SO COMMON, but it is not on any list ???

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  3. Comment by Chris hobbs posted on

    On the subject of 40 year mot exemptions, I failed a 1967 Morris minor 4 months ago with almost 3 pages of corrosion defects the customers answer was that he had read about the 40 year exemption coming soon so he would wait till then to drive it on the road rather than repair it,these sorts of people do exist and they will drive a car till it falls to pieces or kills someone.bad move dvsa.

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  4. Comment by Philip Dunmore posted on

    Testing Advice would be useful for vehicles with known corrosion issues. I understand we should check everything but it is good to pay more attention to known problem areas. Some vehicles can be heavily corroded at a surprisingly young age. Two examples that come to mind are Citroën Xsara Picasso front sills and Nissan Navara chassis. In the later case many pickups have snapped dramatically. I believe Nissan have refused to recall all vehicles stating this is a maintenance issue rsther than saftey. This firmly passes responsibility to testers.

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  5. Comment by Mike posted on

    When I first started as a MOT tester in the 70`s (correct me if I`m wrong),
    we used to issue a Red hand written failure certificate for serious defects ie. brakes, steering and in those days the dreaded all to common corrosion found on 3+ year old vehicles. The failure certificate did not allow the vehicle to be used on a public highway until it was repaired to MOT standard.
    Secondly all vehicle insurance company`s have a clause in there documents stating that the vehicle must be maintained in a roadworthy condition at all times. If you are issuing a vehicle with a MOT certificate
    with a dangerous defect surely this will invalidate the owners insurance
    should they choose to drive it away from the testing station after the Mot test.

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  6. Comment by Roger Sibley posted on

    What vehicle make and model did the offending 'rear axle' come from?
    There is often a pattern and I am sure all testers would appreciate this important information being made available. Did, as I strongly suspect, the corrosion originate from the inside of the tubular arms? If so, and assuming the component is an original fit from new, the manufacturer should take some responsibility as it is highly likely no cavity wax was applied internally at the production stage. As we all know there are some superior cavity waxes available and they certainly protect vulnerable enclosed and hidden areas over many many years.

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  7. Comment by Dave posted on

    "Making the difference
    The work you do as MOT testers do is vital for keeping Britain’s roads safe. Our latest MOT Horror stories blog post is a great example of the types of things you’ve found and prevented potentially causing a dangerous accident.
    So, next time you’re testing a vehicle, go the extra mile to make sure it’s not dangerously corroded. It could make all the difference."

    I find that statement slightly ironic, since DVSA are redoing the Manual, adding extra to the workload of Mot stations/testers, but not putting the price up of the Mot - WHY ? Your giving to the motorist with one hand and taking away with the other whilst giving Mot stations/testers more work with nothing extra in the pot !

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      Comment by fred whiting enfield posted on

      how can we expect a price increase when testing stations are charging£25 per test there should be one price and one price only and we all know what that is

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        Comment by John posted on

        We all know why testing stations charge £25 to get work in make it a set price i’m disciplinary action to be taken for any test station charges silly amounts Just charge the set price by Dvsa

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  8. Comment by Wayne posted on

    Interesting reading! Corrosion, tyres, suspension, brakes all items that can become so dangerous to drive on the road could result in death , plus also how would we stand on our business insurance knowingly let a customer drive with a dangerous vehicle doing at wot ever speeds?
    Best to lend customer courtesy car until repair is undertaken.

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  9. Comment by Harry posted on

    Who was it, that instructed the DVSA, in there news story about the MOT changes. To include the line.
    "The Maximum fees MOT centres can charge won't change."
    This implies, that as a motorists, your getting more for your money.
    Why as a Testing station, are we expected to do more for less?
    It was in 2016 that Neil Barlow made a statement on this site, stating, there will be a consultation on pricing, early in the new year.
    I personally would be embarrassed, if I had made that statement and still nothing had moved on, after all this time.
    When is the consultation going to take place?
    Eight years since the last increase in fees. It can not go on like this.

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      Comment by Julia (DVSA) posted on

      Hi Harry
      At the time of writing Neil was correct that the Department for Transport was preparing for a consultation on this matter, but that has been deferred for a number of reasons. We do feedback the challenges that come from the trade around pricing.

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  10. Comment by Tim posted on

    Tim from gx Cheltenham
    A tester for 43 years you could never stop a customer from taking his own car away after it has failed . You can only advice them of the risk they are taking and there insurance may be invalid . I think the only thing you could do is cover yourself a short note saying in your opinion the vehicle is unsafe to use on the road . And get a signature

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  11. Comment by Andy g posted on

    if a vehicle fails an mot on an item which is considerd dangerous it means that it should not be driven away from the testing station, it dosent mean that it cannot be driven . we dont have the authority to stop vehicle owners from driving their vehicles . all we can do is give them our best advice if they choose to ignore our advice then is nothing that we can do about it. however if the car is driven away against our advice then the legal responsability lay with the owner of the vehicle should any any repocusions ocur.

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  12. Comment by Ben Mayne posted on

    You have to get underneath an vehicle while doing an MOT , dam that's were I've been going wrong

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  13. Comment by Paul posted on

    The corrosion on the radius arms may not have been detectable when the car had its last MOT. But if it was, and it had been detected, it might’ve saved her life.

    The tester would’ve needed to make an extra effort to get underneath the car and inspect the affected parts to find it.

    ...Could you PLEASE CLARIFY THIS as I don't understand

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      Comment by Chris (DVSA) posted on

      Hello,

      The vehicle had its last MOT several months before the incident. We cannot be certain that the corrosion was detectable at that point as there's a possibility it may have rapidly worsened during that time.

      But if it was detectable when the vehicle was last MOT'd, the accident could have been prevented by an MOT tester finding the corrosion and failing the vehicle.

      Given the location of the corrosion, it would have been difficult to find and the tester would have needed to make a concerted effort to do so.

      I hope that clears things up for you.

      Thanks,

      Chris

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  14. Comment by Tony S posted on

    Hi Chris

    This is a good post, even if it may have been created to divert us away from the previous post about the new manual, which is probably taking up a lot of Julia's time, I say this as a lot of my queries havn't been answered yet.
    Back to this post. It will remind a lot of testers about checking corrosion a bit deeper.
    So what I'd like to know is how will we advise some of this corrosion and painted over repairs, if the manual advisory is going to be removed?

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  15. Comment by tony posted on

    do not change the mot test to 2 years please

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  16. Comment by Paul W posted on

    In my opinion the pictured corrosion has had no impact on the actual cause of failure. Yes it's corroded and yes should fail a test. However I have seen this before in my opinion someone has cut the beam along the Bush in order to replace bush and welded beam back together. People do this to avoid buying correct Bush pulling/fitting tools. But hey any monkey can work on a car!! where's the regulations??

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  17. Comment by Neil B posted on

    if indeed a car is identified as being dangerous and cannot be driven away from the testing station how can this be enforced I cant see anyone listening I have had many ignorant customers that have had dangerous defects and despite being told DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR they do this very thing and away they go ???

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  18. Comment by MB posted on

    Very good points. What about cars that are protected with plastic covers and visibility is impossible. For example Ferraris (not a great example) are virtually cocooned in plastic underside..

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  19. Comment by William Lloyd posted on

    on some vehicles the rear sub frame front mounting is coverd with a plastic
    cover

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  20. Comment by Sandy Reid posted on

    Good news about the power to keep a dangerous vehicle off the road, but where are we going to park it and for how long???

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  21. Comment by Marcus Hamblin posted on

    I always look for corrosion when im testing. Now after reading this article pause for a minute like i have and think about the ramifications that vehicles built before 1977 no longer require an mot. Absolute double standards,hope whoever dropped the ball on this subject sleeps easier than I do.

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  22. Comment by archie goodall posted on

    ...we should be allowed to issue prohibition notice's on vehicle's that should
    not go back on the road untill repaired....( on brake's ..steering...suspension.. seat -belt's )..... THIS CAN SAVE LIFE'S ..i have been testing for 30 year's and seen some horror's...

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  23. Comment by andy cripps phillip waters mtr engineers posted on

    Indeed very important to check for corrosion - but not required if was made more than 40 years ago! Old cars can corrode badly but really old ones from before 1978 are somehow not effected by corrosion!?. A short sighted, risky and ill informed decision taken by people who put more faith in statistics than common sense and who have never tested a vehicle. Shameful.

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      Comment by Mark posted on

      Bang on they very rarely put my comments on they are not on the front line

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  24. Comment by joe digney A/E posted on

    how are we going to police the customer from taking the car away after
    an mot .
    if we fail it on a dangerous item are we to issue a prohabition notice
    if a car fails we as testers dont have the power to stop the customer from doing this
    imagine the backlash we will recieve if we do

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  25. Comment by mercedes posted on

    the trouble no is a lot off car on the underside are covered in plastic that can hide corrosion merc rear arm a prime example the list goes on and on but we all know for a price you can get any car mot on it we see it all the time i had a transit into day thats was failed on the 8 off this month guess what if failed on this time the same as before welding /lights they are just trying there luck we should get a warning over the mot system when you log in a vechicle that is has been tested in the last month our so and list the faults i look up every car/ van on mot history

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  26. Comment by Derek posted on

    Corrosion and inappropriate repairs are probably two of the most difficult items to identify objectively . Owners and repairers seem to be allowed to camouflage poor vehicle service and repairs with immunity. We are not allowed to insist that we see repairs before they are covered with copious amounts of sealer. We are only allowed to use finger and thumb pressure and our corrosion assessment tool. Much of the underside is covered with plastic which assists the unscrupulous. It's a real mission on some presented vehicles to identify all the faults accurately particularly if somebody is determined to hide dangerous defects. Remembering that the annual MOT is not a substitute for proper and appropriate maintenance by honest qualified professionals.

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  27. Comment by Keith posted on

    It’s all very well saying it’s dangerous who says it’s dangerous it comes down to testers opinions brake discs our old favourite I would not let some go out on the road but pass and advise steps in the door. So to say it’s off the road more arguments with customers.dropped in it again.

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  28. Comment by Mark posted on

    This corrosion as you say was on an older vehicle so why in your wisdom are you stopping testing vehicles over 40 years old. who actually runs the dvsa laurel and hardy the keystone cops or the chuckle brothers talk about contradiction I bet this is not put on the blog hey Julia or Chris

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      Comment by Julia (DVSA) posted on

      Hi Mark
      Department for Transport consulted on this and determined that such cars are more likely to be well maintained and used for shorter journeys. Motorists can still have an MOT carried out on their car if they want to.

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  29. Comment by ian posted on

    good posts-what was the vehicle involved?

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  30. Comment by Vick0015 posted on

    I wanted to print this document to show to customers. I couldn't find how? Was it something I easily missed?

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      Comment by Julia (DVSA) posted on

      Hi Vick

      These blog posts are best read online but if you want to print them:
      - right click anywhere on the article
      - click 'print'
      - your printer should appear in a box on the left hand side of the screen from where you can print the article.
      The comments won't appear though.

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        Comment by Tony S posted on

        We seem to get answers to the easy questions, other comments just seem to be ignored,
        Hope this one gets posted

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  31. Comment by Tim Williams posted on

    Chris, you say that if a defect is dangerous the vehicle will not be allowed to leave the MOT station. How are we intended to enforce this ? I can imagine some people not being at all happy with this and wanting to remove their vehicles regardless.

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  32. Comment by Chris Ives posted on

    In May the manual advisory will be no more, so advising that covers are obscuring some components that may be heavily corroded .

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  33. Comment by Glen posted on

    "This really highlights the importance of checking for corrosion - particularly in older vehicles."

    Unless its over 40 years old and not been modified (sat in a barn/hedge for decades), in which case pump the tyres up and your good for the road. BL era vehicles are renowned for their imunity to corrosion so its perfectly safe.

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      Comment by Chris (DVSA) posted on

      Hello Glen,

      It will remain illegal to drive a vehicle in an unroadworthy condition and we recommend that drivers regularly get their vehicles serviced.

      Regards,

      Chris

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  34. Comment by Sam Jalil posted on

    I’m very surprised that there hasn’t been any fatal accidents involving the Nissan Navara, I have seen so many pass through our workshop over the years with badly corroded chassis’s from the inside out a lot of which the corrosion would not be picked up on an mot because of accessibility to view and inspect properly,

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  35. Comment by andyace posted on

    Hi there,does anyone know what vehicle the axle came from??for future reference.

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  36. Comment by Ron posted on

    Am I right in saying that in May cars over 40 years old will not require an MOT, surely this is a terrible idea.

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  37. Comment by Jeanette Masters posted on

    "This really highlights the importance of checking for corrosion - particularly in older vehicles.". So why then bring in a ruling to say that older vehicles will be MOT exempt? Crazy imo.

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  38. Comment by Bill posted on

    Over the last few years corrosion on rear axles and front subframe/cross members seem to have gone worse . Corsas are prone but other vehicles also suffer from it . I have seen axles like this , and blame manufacturers for making poor quality parts . Has some old vehicles are still in good condition around these areas .
    Even later vehicles have suspension components showing surface corrosion not long after leaving the factory . This leading to more corrosion over the life of the vehicle. And this relates to all makes .

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  39. Comment by Paul Richards posted on

    I agree with this entirely. BUT, it is a total contradiction to the MOT exempt historic car rules. "It's important to check older vehicles", yet much older vehicles will go unchecked! We try to make our roads a safer place, not give the MOT dodgers a legitimate excuse.

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  40. Comment by castrolrob posted on

    only guessing from the photo but it appears to be an old fiat or similar and(from memory)the section showing would have been inside a chassis mount with a triangular plastic trim above it,visibiltywould have been severely restricted,indeed your own post and comments give precisely that impression.instead of beating us over the head with something that you yourselves appear to believe was unlikely to be spotted in the first place try something constructive like letting the testing community know the make/model affected by this or similar problems,heres a few for instances for you,kia Sedona,nissan quashkai/juke,corsa c,suzuki alto and derivitives.you will have seen the Nissan crew cabs with the chassis that physicaly snaps in half in the tabloids yes?we as testers are yet to be informed of this being a problem or indeed its causes.provide us with this information at the start of a test and you never know,in your words IT COULD SAVE LIVES!

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  41. Comment by James Jackson posted on

    with ref to Chris's reply that as from the 20th may 2018. What legal rights do we have to stop a vehicle being driven away from the testing station if it has had a failure issued including a dangerous defect. Can we only advise the driver of this ?

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  42. Comment by colin stott posted on

    how do we stop people driving their cars away from test stations after mot

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  43. Comment by Pete Tak posted on

    Very good point to initiate will also pass on to fellow testers.

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      Comment by S Platt posted on

      remember, "The tester would’ve needed to make an extra effort to get underneath the car and inspect the affected parts to find it"

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  44. Comment by Chris Mumford posted on

    Failed a car on corrosion along with other items. Advised customer that plastic sills need to be removed to fully assess extent of welding required for quoting purposes.
    Customer takes to another garage and car passes with no advisories!
    Unless all test stations are working to the same standards we are all going to struggle to keep roads safe.

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      Comment by Tricia posted on

      Unfortunately some garages 'find' faults to fail cars which actually don't need it. However, I'd much rather a decent garage failed me so I'd keep safe than pass an unsafe car.

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      Comment by andy cripps posted on

      I think you are correct - we need to work with DVSA to highlight the cowboys in our industry and raise standards to where they should be. Frustrating when you do your best to do a good job only to find others disregarding the manual and getting away with it.

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      Comment by richard posted on

      this happens to our test station quite often , then next day the car is passed elsewhere without any advisories. At our site inspection in December I raised the point with our area dvsa inspector , he stated that he simply didn't have the time to follow any reports like this up!!

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      Comment by Carl posted on

      Agree. We see this so often and it's really frustrating when we're constantly trying to maintain and high standard of test.

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  45. Comment by R Hand posted on

    Similar to Nicks point, This is why it's so important to have a vehicle you are purchasing checked properly. There's many services out there that offer vehicle inspections before you buy.

    I go over many vehicles for people buying and some of the things I've found are horrendous but maybe not visable to the buyer or seller.

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  46. Comment by Roger Thapar former AE / NT posted on

    A good tester is on a mission to save lives ,

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      Comment by jim posted on

      pity this wasnt reflected in our wages !

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  47. Comment by Dave posted on

    Say for example corrosion was found and the vehicle was issued with a failure. Vehicle owner then drives the vehicle away and THEN has an accident !
    Why not allow Testers or at least 1 person in every Testing station the power to issue prohibition notices on vehicles that really should not go back on the road ?

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      Comment by R Hand posted on

      Very good point.

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      Comment by Chris (DVSA) posted on

      Hi Dave,

      From 20th May 2018, the MOT will change. Defects will be classed as dangerous, major and minor. If a vehicle defect is categorised as dangerous or major it will fail its MOT.

      If a defect is identified as being dangerous, the vehicle should not be driven away from the MOT testing station.

      Thanks,

      Chris

      Note: this has been amended to clarify the original comment. The MOT garage will have no authority to detain a vehicle.

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        Comment by Robert dazzler posted on

        So what are we supposed to do with the dangerous fails ? And thats not going to go well with the public are we getting security details from home office or are the gov employing storage or recovery firms ?

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        Comment by Dave posted on

        Hi Chris,
        Thanks for reply, ref the "not allowed to be driven away" how will that work in real life ?
        Vehicle owner comes to collect vehicle, gets told it has a dangerous defect and they cannot drive it away - are we to refuse to hand over keys for the vehicle if owner decides they don't like that idea ?

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        Comment by Paul posted on

        Hi Chris,
        Regarding not allowed to drive vehicle away how do we as garages enforce this? I agree this decision should be available as I have myself had a couple of failures in the past that I told customer the vehicle was unsafe but could not legally prevent them from taking vehicle.
        Paul

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        Comment by steve posted on

        I do hope that the general public are being informed that their vehicle cannot leave a testing station with a dangerous fail. can you please confirm that the public are being made aware of this or is it just going to be left up to us testers ?

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        Comment by Dan posted on

        So will the vts have the power to stop them driving it away? I think more clarification is need by dvsa

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        Comment by Graham posted on

        Not be allowed to be driven away, as in we have powers to retain car. Or as in car shouldnt be driven as we have marked it as dangerous? So the customer shouldnt by law drive an car in an unroad worthy condition?

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        Comment by mark posted on

        how are we going to enforce that then

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        Comment by El posted on

        With regards to dangerous failures not being able to be driven away from the testing station, are we expected to prevent people removing their vehicles or to have cars abandoned on our premises until such time as they have it recovered ? this needs clarification.

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        Comment by Bert posted on

        so does that mean the garage could become a scrap yard? as we don't have room to store cars that fail cos they are failed as dangerous

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        Comment by stephen mckenna posted on

        I cannot see in the draft manual where it says you cannot drive the vehicle away if it is failed with a dangerous defect.

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        Comment by Dave posted on

        Hi Chris

        Who will enforce this, the mot tester the AE.

        Many thanks

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        Comment by Chris Ives posted on

        The trouble is that you may well find yourself with a yard full of scrap vehicles

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        Comment by Jim Walker. posted on

        How do we stop the owner from removing his vehicle. Unless you are giving us the power to seize the vehicle. Jim.

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        Comment by Mike Williams posted on

        Hi Chris, you state that as of 20/05/18 any vehicle failing a MOT with a dangerous defect will not be allowed to leave the VTS, Is this correct ?...

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        Comment by K Allen posted on

        Are we really going to have to stop vehicles from leaving the test station if they fail on a dangerous item and are you saying they have to be repaired on site or trailer-ed away . Does or will a test station have this power. I thought this had come up before and some one from DVSA said this is not going to happen.

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        Comment by martin posted on

        We can't stop them taking their vehicle off the premises so how will that work ?

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        Comment by Geoff posted on

        How can you stop a person from taking their vehicle away from you test station as we have no powers to stop them or restrain them

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        Comment by Roy pears posted on

        Hi how can you expect a tester to tell the customer they can’t get home after a test suppose it’s a single mum with no money or a six foot two gypsy who stores the car who pays for its removal and who gets the black eye you need to think this one again !!

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        Comment by Richard posted on

        That's all well & good, but what powers do we have not to allow it to be driven away, at the moment if I issue a dangerous for a fail the customer can drive it away. I thought the only way you could stop that is by issuing a prohibition or will a dangerous now include a prohibition?

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        Comment by David posted on

        What actual powers in law do we have to stop a vehicle being taken though? For example can I clamp a vehicle or refuse to give the presenter their keys back? Short of physically restraining the owner what can we actually do?

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        Comment by Clive B posted on

        I'm not sure how garages are going to stop them driving away. I was a DVSA vehicle examiner for 25 years and we had vehicles drive away from roadside checks with prohibitions on them.

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        Comment by Rob posted on

        Thanks for that reply Chris ,but can you just confirm what you said about not being able to let presenters drive the vehicle away where it fails and the defect is dangerous and how we are we as testing personnel going to enforce this
        Rob

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          Comment by Mick Biffen posted on

          The wording is "should not be driven away from the test station",not "must not be driven away" big difference.

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        Comment by Darren posted on

        How are mot test station expected to enforce the car not being driven away after a fail notice issued for a dangerous item

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        Comment by Ian bienias posted on

        Hi Chris,
        How do we enforce this rule if people want to take their cars how do we actually stop them???
        Regards
        Ian Bienias (NT)

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        Comment by Martin posted on

        Hi Chris are saying from May we will have the power to stop people driving away from the VTS vehicles that have failed with dangerous defects ?

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        Comment by andy cripps phillip waters mtr engineers posted on

        Very interesting - where can i find the wording in the manual for not allowing the vehicle to be driven away if its classed as dangerous? I have read the draft manual and quite a few defects fall into the "dangerous" category - does this mean all these vehicles are illegal to drive away? Does this not involve a law change ? I was under the impression MOT stations couldn't stop vehicles being driven away - all we could do was to stress how dangerous it was and recommend not to drive. Is this changing? If so it needs explaining please!

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        Comment by S hinds posted on

        Where does it say a when failed on dangerous defects that the vehicle carnt be driven away?

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        Comment by EDDIE posted on

        IF A CUSTOMER BECOMES HEAVY HANDED DO WE RING DVSA OR THE POLICE TO STOP A LETHAL VEHICLE BEEN DRIVEN ON A PUBLIC ROAD AS OVER THE YEARS I HAVE HAD AFAIR MANY VEHICLES THAT HAD DANGEROUS CORROSION IN MORE THAN ONE AREA

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        Comment by Verena posted on

        How can we enforce it? If a customer is intent on driving their car away, what can we do to stop them?

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        Comment by John Gornall posted on

        Hi Chris.
        Does this mean we will be able to stop customers from driving away from the test station if their car has failed and the defect is identified as being dangerous.
        I can see there being a lot of customers who will argue that we do not have the right to stop them driving away.
        Will we have some legal authority to stop them.

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        Comment by Steve W. posted on

        "If a defect is identified as being dangerous, the vehicle will not be allowed to be driven away from the MOT testing station."
        Could DVSA please explain how, or even who, is going to stop a customer from driving away ?

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        Comment by Rob Bishop posted on

        dangerous,major,& minor categoris are a good idea.R Bishop.

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        Comment by Jim posted on

        Who will have the authority to prevent the presenter driving the vehicle away from the V T S?

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        Comment by Otis posted on

        Sorry Chris but who is going to police this ? Why don't we have stickers like the NCT which they apply to a dangerous vehicle with a link to the police(garda).
        To make this mean anything it must be applied consistently, have teeth and have been publicised to the general public.

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        Comment by Jan Tindale posted on

        How are we expected to enforce the dangerous fail issue of none vehicle removal

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        Comment by Richard posted on

        I replied in another post before I saw this amended reply, a lot of testers were getting worried by this. Just interested why it was posted in the original we could retain a dangerous vehicle & then changed back to how its always been.

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          Comment by Chris (DVSA) posted on

          Hi Richard,

          Apologies for any confusion our original post may have caused.

          Once it became apparent it was causing confusion, we decided to clarify the position.

          Thanks,

          Chris

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        Comment by Dave posted on

        HI Chris,
        Thanks for clearing that up about Mot stations not being able to retain customers vehicles issued with a Dangerous defect.
        My issue is....the Mot test is either about road safety or it isn't !
        If it is....why are vehicle owners who have been told there vehicle is dangerous to drive, allowed to take there vehicles back onto the highway.
        I don't think this "dangerous" tagging has been thought through properly.
        Regards
        Dave

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      Comment by Dave posted on

      Because unfortunately that would be a licence for garages to hold customers to ransom, if that ever came in it would be a sad day for motorists and a great day for garage Bank accounts !!!!

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      Comment by Robin Cooke posted on

      Chris -So why is this not being made more prominent like in the MOT rule changes update (20-3-18) & who is going to stop the driver driving off ?

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      Comment by Tony posted on

      As regards testers having the right to issue prohibitions - it will never happen. DVSA vehicle examiners have the powers under legislation issued directly from the Secretary of State, they have special training and another guide to comply with that dictates what sort of prohibition they can issue and then further guidance on removing the prohibition.
      As an MOT tester you can of course tick the box to denote anything as a dangerous fail or advisory item, this plus pointing out the dangerous item to the vehicle owner should be sufficient to leave you with no responsibility should the owner then drive the vehicle and have an accident. If necessary get someone to witness you issuing the paperwork to the vehicle presenter.

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  48. Comment by Melvyn Freeman posted on

    I suggest you send this blog to every MP, so that they might reverse the crazy decision to exempt vehicles over 40 years old from mandatory testing. It would also help if the test fee had been increased in line with inflation, a competent tester should be properly paid for the necessary time spend to thoroughly inspect a vehicle.

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  49. Comment by Steve posted on

    particularly in older vehicles you wrote, shame they will be exempt after May 20th.

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  50. Comment by Nick Ellis posted on

    Maybe we can find a way of sharing this with new drivers especially if there's any evidence that they're buying older vehicles and aren't too sure of the implications of driving around in something which may have passed its MOT but is still potentially dangerous. To me it's the same idea as saying to new parents 'Don't buy a second-hand car seat.' It may look good, but ....

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  51. Comment by S. Peaty posted on

    Greatfull for the update. Will pass on to testers

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